vkrishn
07-21 02:38 PM
Wow. Nice to see so many Bay area folks with bad experience. When i moved to Folsom, CA from Arizona in 2005 and knew no one at Folsom, I was in a Indian grocery store buying stuff and this guy comes to me and starts talking to me nicely.. At that point i did not know about this Amway Crap and infact stayed at the same apartment complex where i was staying. he invited me for tea and started talking about how to beocme your own boss etc.. Thats about it. I politely told him i am not interested and unfortuantely i gave him phone number at that time just to keep in touch and with the only reason not to be rude. He Kept on calling me 2-3 times in a week over two weeks and had to literally be very blunt and really rude to stop harassing me! Thats the end of it.
I met a person at Great Mall in the Bay area at Bath and Body works and i did not even give him a sec to start his pleasantires. He had a blank look on his face when i told him that if you are befriending me to join you about Amway, I will go to the Police right now that you are stalking me. He left me immediatly. :)
One of the complaints i have heard from my other friends that if they go to a new place and try to make friends , the locals think of them as related to Amway and was also rightly pointed in this thread.
I met a person at Great Mall in the Bay area at Bath and Body works and i did not even give him a sec to start his pleasantires. He had a blank look on his face when i told him that if you are befriending me to join you about Amway, I will go to the Police right now that you are stalking me. He left me immediatly. :)
One of the complaints i have heard from my other friends that if they go to a new place and try to make friends , the locals think of them as related to Amway and was also rightly pointed in this thread.
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Googler
02-18 03:58 PM
I do not understand why out of 205 people who voted yes, nobody has :
1) Contacted an attorney with his own money if they are so interested?
2) Nobody has agreed to become a plaintiff except Googler.
Googler, why don't you lead this effort and become the plaintiff and get a lawyer to start filing a case? You can file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all immigrant community. Once you file the case people will thank you and appreciate your bravery.
I do not think this lawsuit idea will go anywhere unless someone is willing to risk his greencard for it. Because once you become a plaintiff USCIS will review your case more thoroughly. Plus you need to get your employer on the same page for it. You also need to spend thousands of dollars from your own pocket to take part in your lawsuit.
Another thing, I do not trust lawyers opinion in this matter unless a lawyer is a litigation lawyer. If a lawfirm is good at filing paperwork and filling applications, they cannot do a class action lawsuit. They may show interest in it for money and publicity. You need to get a litigation lawyer only for it.
I've said this before but perhaps I'll have to say it many more times till it sinks in
... the thinking on this is at a VERY VERY VERY preliminary stage. In real life class action lawsuits, named plaintiffs are chosen based on how well they fit the argument in the case, not the other way round. As I said upthread, all those who want decisions, deals, money etc RIGHT NOW are being pretty unrealistic -- probably just because of unfamiliarity with the progress of cases like this. I know people want to be reassured that there is NO risk of losing, every decision node is mapped out, responsibility assigned, but if that is what anyone is thinking they have to rejigger their thinking. ;-)
IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.
Internet, if you voted no, why are you so worked up about it? Nobody is about to make you do anything you don't want to do. Carry on with your life, this is not about to impinge you negatively. Why do you care what other people do with their time?
For people who voted yes, it is worth thinking about what you are willing to do for the effort -- at present, all that is needed is an interest and willingness to read and do some research and THAT IS ALL. Read the two paragraphs I quoted above.
As far as contacting attorneys and moving the ball forward, it is a time consuming process -- it isn't as though they call you right back with a draft brief and legal arguments. This is not an ordinary paperwork issue. It has after all been a grand total of 6 days since the poll was started on 2-12-08!! ;-)
1) Contacted an attorney with his own money if they are so interested?
2) Nobody has agreed to become a plaintiff except Googler.
Googler, why don't you lead this effort and become the plaintiff and get a lawyer to start filing a case? You can file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all immigrant community. Once you file the case people will thank you and appreciate your bravery.
I do not think this lawsuit idea will go anywhere unless someone is willing to risk his greencard for it. Because once you become a plaintiff USCIS will review your case more thoroughly. Plus you need to get your employer on the same page for it. You also need to spend thousands of dollars from your own pocket to take part in your lawsuit.
Another thing, I do not trust lawyers opinion in this matter unless a lawyer is a litigation lawyer. If a lawfirm is good at filing paperwork and filling applications, they cannot do a class action lawsuit. They may show interest in it for money and publicity. You need to get a litigation lawyer only for it.
I've said this before but perhaps I'll have to say it many more times till it sinks in
... the thinking on this is at a VERY VERY VERY preliminary stage. In real life class action lawsuits, named plaintiffs are chosen based on how well they fit the argument in the case, not the other way round. As I said upthread, all those who want decisions, deals, money etc RIGHT NOW are being pretty unrealistic -- probably just because of unfamiliarity with the progress of cases like this. I know people want to be reassured that there is NO risk of losing, every decision node is mapped out, responsibility assigned, but if that is what anyone is thinking they have to rejigger their thinking. ;-)
IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.
Internet, if you voted no, why are you so worked up about it? Nobody is about to make you do anything you don't want to do. Carry on with your life, this is not about to impinge you negatively. Why do you care what other people do with their time?
For people who voted yes, it is worth thinking about what you are willing to do for the effort -- at present, all that is needed is an interest and willingness to read and do some research and THAT IS ALL. Read the two paragraphs I quoted above.
As far as contacting attorneys and moving the ball forward, it is a time consuming process -- it isn't as though they call you right back with a draft brief and legal arguments. This is not an ordinary paperwork issue. It has after all been a grand total of 6 days since the poll was started on 2-12-08!! ;-)
Googler
02-16 02:37 PM
Suppose the admin fix to recapture 'lost' visas is a success. How many will India Eb2 get out of that ? May be 5000 ?
One really needs to know the number of India Eb2 applicants pending in each year ( of PD ) . If it iturns out , say , there are 25000 I-485 applications with PD up to year 2002, then ?!
Will a USCIS customer service rep be able to help us with this question :
"Sir/Madam how many India EB2 applicants are waiting , with PD earlier than mine ? " .
My friend, in 2003-2004 alone there were 136K EB greencards wasted. When recaptured, in the past they have been given to oversubscribed countries. That is almost an entire years supply of EB greencards.
As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)
One really needs to know the number of India Eb2 applicants pending in each year ( of PD ) . If it iturns out , say , there are 25000 I-485 applications with PD up to year 2002, then ?!
Will a USCIS customer service rep be able to help us with this question :
"Sir/Madam how many India EB2 applicants are waiting , with PD earlier than mine ? " .
My friend, in 2003-2004 alone there were 136K EB greencards wasted. When recaptured, in the past they have been given to oversubscribed countries. That is almost an entire years supply of EB greencards.
As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)
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snathan
01-19 01:27 PM
Yeah and I don't mind hiring your sister and mother too. After all I am EOE. You shut up and if you feel bad leave this profession. It's that simple. But don't be in state of denial. I just shown you the mirror. This reply pl don't read with humor.
From the moment this thread got created you are the only one constantly ourbursting against your ex-employer. You forgot that you are giving fodder to antis. If you read the entire thread, you are the only one talking out of context. Clam down and think how you can contibute possitively. You outburst is not going to help anyone including you.
From the moment this thread got created you are the only one constantly ourbursting against your ex-employer. You forgot that you are giving fodder to antis. If you read the entire thread, you are the only one talking out of context. Clam down and think how you can contibute possitively. You outburst is not going to help anyone including you.
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easygoer
07-23 01:51 PM
vldrao has done good job and we are thankful to him
ryan
08-17 01:56 PM
Why do you think he is talentless? Just because he is not an ivy league or not a doctor? He is extremely talented. .
Due respect Chanduv23 - I believe there are a million and more who've done better and fought tougher battles. I'd think some of them are here on this very forum. I may not have had an opportunity to grow up in India - however, I'm pretty sure - in fact quite certain, the sort of b'wood trash dished out, is nothing representative of Indian culture and ways of life. Most of the stuff encourages ills of American pop culture and feels desperate to the point of being foolish wannabees - and you know what's really sad -- that people from a nation with such incredibly history & culture need the feel to ape ills of American pop culture and the likes. As for Shahrook Khan - the man CAN'T act - unless you think some sort of speech disability, lip-synching songs (sung by folks with actual talent) and running around foolish women in skirts is talent and form art?! I wish the admins would remove the silly post from the forum.
Due respect Chanduv23 - I believe there are a million and more who've done better and fought tougher battles. I'd think some of them are here on this very forum. I may not have had an opportunity to grow up in India - however, I'm pretty sure - in fact quite certain, the sort of b'wood trash dished out, is nothing representative of Indian culture and ways of life. Most of the stuff encourages ills of American pop culture and feels desperate to the point of being foolish wannabees - and you know what's really sad -- that people from a nation with such incredibly history & culture need the feel to ape ills of American pop culture and the likes. As for Shahrook Khan - the man CAN'T act - unless you think some sort of speech disability, lip-synching songs (sung by folks with actual talent) and running around foolish women in skirts is talent and form art?! I wish the admins would remove the silly post from the forum.
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tikka
07-04 07:42 AM
Thanks for your diggs. If you go and check the Upcoming stories tab - it has made it to the top in "Hot in All Topics" list...
keep digging....
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who 170 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin 316 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal - 134 DIGS
keep digging....
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who 170 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin 316 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal - 134 DIGS
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soljabhai
12-14 03:33 PM
Personally I do not believe that the 7% limit is discrimination. The 7% limit for all countries appears to be equal, it leads to an issue as described below.
2 individuals, one from an oversubscribed country and one from an under subscribed country, leads to their career being affected by where they have been born.
Even though this situation might not be and in all probability is not discrimination, it does lead to conflict certain with certain other government regulations like EEO etc. Which one has precedence? Why?
I don't know the answer to these questions. Nor do I profess any super ability to even make the correct evaluation. But it does present itself to be a moral dilemma. Precisely the situations where the courts might be able to provide guidance (assuming they haven't already)
2 individuals, one from an oversubscribed country and one from an under subscribed country, leads to their career being affected by where they have been born.
Even though this situation might not be and in all probability is not discrimination, it does lead to conflict certain with certain other government regulations like EEO etc. Which one has precedence? Why?
I don't know the answer to these questions. Nor do I profess any super ability to even make the correct evaluation. But it does present itself to be a moral dilemma. Precisely the situations where the courts might be able to provide guidance (assuming they haven't already)
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eastindia
07-21 11:13 AM
My desi neighbor told me about it recently. What are your experience with Amway Quickstar. Have you guys made money from it?
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smuggymba
07-22 09:07 AM
We desis are too polite and can't say NO easily like others. I have learnt to say NO in the US now, makes my life much easier....be nice and say no politely.
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EndlessWait
07-10 11:36 AM
bbye monseiur!
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lazycis
02-16 10:11 PM
Read complaint from NGWANYIA v. ASHCROFT case, you will find a lot of similarities with the current situation
http://www.ailf.org/lac/lac_lit_101802.pdf
Also those who are interested in active participation, please join yahoo group by sending e-mail to visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
All we need is one or two members who have time and desire to start the process.
http://www.ailf.org/lac/lac_lit_101802.pdf
Also those who are interested in active participation, please join yahoo group by sending e-mail to visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
All we need is one or two members who have time and desire to start the process.
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jaane_bhi_do_yaaro
08-18 10:20 PM
This is not "Indian" thread. It is purely a North Indian thread. He is popular only in North of India.
I doubt that he is popular in North India only.
VDL Rao is popular in North India despite hailing from AP.
Similarly SRK is equally popular in South India.
I doubt that he is popular in North India only.
VDL Rao is popular in North India despite hailing from AP.
Similarly SRK is equally popular in South India.
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snathan
01-24 05:42 PM
If most members are opposing the memo that is fine for me. I will take neutral Stand. Anyhow best wishes for winning the lawsuit if you file and win
What good your stand is going to do and who cares it ?:confused:
What good your stand is going to do and who cares it ?:confused:
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rahulpaper
06-27 09:26 PM
Based on this, I have again (yes, again) emailed by immigration lawyer and sent him the AILA's URL (although I cant see it coz I am not member of AILA).
IF AILA reports that they stopped accepting new 485 petitions for EB3-other, then it is pretty freaking scary and that means that what my lawyer told me "I cant happen, bla bla bla..." is really not 100% accurate. If it happened in June, it can happen in July. This is now REALLLLY SCARY, coz my lawyer has plans for July-end for filing.
Ever since the dates got current, it has been more stressful than the time when dates were retrogressed and almost makes me miss the retrogression days when I didnt have to depend on the lawyers for my career.
It is indeed scary...I guess rumors can come to haunt us...I know that mine is not going in before mid july...we are seeing that is visible but doesnt exist...May be august bulletin (like predicted by USCIS) will still be "C"....GOOD LUCK to all. Irony of life is...all my life i gave exams in an effort to not get a "C"....and now all i pray for is just another "C"...
IF AILA reports that they stopped accepting new 485 petitions for EB3-other, then it is pretty freaking scary and that means that what my lawyer told me "I cant happen, bla bla bla..." is really not 100% accurate. If it happened in June, it can happen in July. This is now REALLLLY SCARY, coz my lawyer has plans for July-end for filing.
Ever since the dates got current, it has been more stressful than the time when dates were retrogressed and almost makes me miss the retrogression days when I didnt have to depend on the lawyers for my career.
It is indeed scary...I guess rumors can come to haunt us...I know that mine is not going in before mid july...we are seeing that is visible but doesnt exist...May be august bulletin (like predicted by USCIS) will still be "C"....GOOD LUCK to all. Irony of life is...all my life i gave exams in an effort to not get a "C"....and now all i pray for is just another "C"...
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amitjoey
07-03 11:39 PM
Digged , Thanks admins for all these, I really appreciate your hardwork. I want to call senator/Rep in PA, Any contacts of them..
Contact your senators, calling works, I am not sure if emails are read.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Also send it to reporters.
Contact your senators, calling works, I am not sure if emails are read.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Also send it to reporters.
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Keeme
04-16 12:50 PM
Ultimately everything boils down to corruption. Huge money is going down in the pockets of big media houses, it is so damn obvious...Hindustan times, IBN & NDTV carried pictures of Priyanka Gandhi's children for 3 days on the front page, I never saw pictures or anything on Chandrababu Naidu, Yedirappa, Badal, Gehlot, Shivraj Chauhan or for that reason anybody....these kids are more important than our grassroot leaders ? The family is talking about "Rahul kee Shaadee" and the whole media is printing that, nobody's asking them where were you and what you did in last 5 years ???
www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/india-modi - Intresting article on Narendra Modi.
www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/india-modi - Intresting article on Narendra Modi.
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la6470
01-16 02:41 PM
THIS IS BIG AS 30-40% OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THIS CONTRY ARE RENDERING SOME KIND OF CONSULTING SERVICE TO THE CLIENTS. ALL DESI CONSULTANTS ARE DOOMED FOR GOOD.
ALSO TO BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT ANY EXISTING H1-Bs THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED BUT THE EXTENSIONS AND NEW FILINGS. THIS IS A BUMMER.
Now the question of this memo being is good or bad is debatable but it surely does get rid of body shoppers for good.
Edison, NJ is going to be a ghost town.
How else is a consulting company supposed to work - if they do not send their consultants to client site? Consulting is not always a one month affair - all IT organizations need long term consulting on permanent basis from subject matter experts. Again I know for sure that this is a misguided memo from some folks in USCIS who has no practical understanding of the complexity of modern IT organizations.
ALSO TO BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT ANY EXISTING H1-Bs THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED BUT THE EXTENSIONS AND NEW FILINGS. THIS IS A BUMMER.
Now the question of this memo being is good or bad is debatable but it surely does get rid of body shoppers for good.
Edison, NJ is going to be a ghost town.
How else is a consulting company supposed to work - if they do not send their consultants to client site? Consulting is not always a one month affair - all IT organizations need long term consulting on permanent basis from subject matter experts. Again I know for sure that this is a misguided memo from some folks in USCIS who has no practical understanding of the complexity of modern IT organizations.
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waitingmygc
01-14 12:24 PM
First, please stop comparing companies in this thread at least because we are diverting from topic.
I am totally convinced with users like jetflyer, kondur_007 and others that �if it goes smooth then next will be EAD, then I-485 approvals�.
At least this is the time to think beyond boundaries (like EB-3, EB-2, working as FT, working with consulting company, states and countries), if not then don�t distract the efforts.
I am totally convinced with users like jetflyer, kondur_007 and others that �if it goes smooth then next will be EAD, then I-485 approvals�.
At least this is the time to think beyond boundaries (like EB-3, EB-2, working as FT, working with consulting company, states and countries), if not then don�t distract the efforts.
WantGCQuick
05-29 06:30 PM
Yes.. Please somebody knowledgeable lay out a plan to execute.
mihird
10-09 03:56 PM
There is the freedom to change jobs and apply for a new TN each time. There is no 6 year or any sort of time cap - TN can be renewed indefinitely..a TN only costs $50 to renew for each year and can be filed without an attorney by mail. No need to physcially go anywhere.
Drawbacks.
1. Spouses/Dependents get TD which is as restrictive as H4
2. There is a fixed list of professions and minimum education qualifications that you/your intended employment HAVE to satisfy to qualify for a TN. Experience cannot be used to substitute lack of education..
Hope that was informative...
Drawbacks.
1. Spouses/Dependents get TD which is as restrictive as H4
2. There is a fixed list of professions and minimum education qualifications that you/your intended employment HAVE to satisfy to qualify for a TN. Experience cannot be used to substitute lack of education..
Hope that was informative...
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