andymodem
Dec 5, 03:58 PM
Took this picture a couple years ago at my parent's house back in Minnesota. Wish we were going there this year. :(
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Dusky600
Apr 25, 07:36 AM
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Have people maybe stoped to think, that we may not get a new model this year? That the reason they are putting out the white model now, is to cover the fact we won't see a update till next year?
i didnt read all the comments, but this is my opinion right here, this white iphone 4 launch makes absolutely no sense unless apple is planning to let it run for at least another 6 to 8 months without announcing any new hardware.
i suppose the new iphone 5 will only come out a lot latter than speculated and probably the supposed better guts will be a iphone 4 s just with better insides.
Have people maybe stoped to think, that we may not get a new model this year? That the reason they are putting out the white model now, is to cover the fact we won't see a update till next year?
i didnt read all the comments, but this is my opinion right here, this white iphone 4 launch makes absolutely no sense unless apple is planning to let it run for at least another 6 to 8 months without announcing any new hardware.
i suppose the new iphone 5 will only come out a lot latter than speculated and probably the supposed better guts will be a iphone 4 s just with better insides.
TheUndertow
Apr 25, 08:27 AM
I originally wanted the white model, but ended up getting the black model. Once it hits the shelves, I'll look at it in store to see how it looks in person, to see if I'll want a white iPhone 5....works out well!
Exactly...6 month ago I would have been all over it...now I don't want to get into a 2 year contract only to have the 5 launch in Sept...
I hate my HTC Hero, but I don't hate it THAT bad (and anyway, my wife uses it mostly).....(continues to convince himself to wait)....
Exactly...6 month ago I would have been all over it...now I don't want to get into a 2 year contract only to have the 5 launch in Sept...
I hate my HTC Hero, but I don't hate it THAT bad (and anyway, my wife uses it mostly).....(continues to convince himself to wait)....
arkitect
Apr 28, 06:05 AM
You should see the bruised ego when a gay man tells a straight man he's not attracted to him. Trust me, that one stings. For some reason, straight guys think we all think they're hot or something
What is up with that? :)
I have yet to meet one straight male who is attracted to each and every woman he sees. Yet gay men are assumed to be raving predators who would have it off with every male they meet.
Most of you have nothing to worry about.
Oh, this reminds me. The plumber is coming around this afternoon to check the shower�
[That's a joke, BTW. ;)]
What is up with that? :)
I have yet to meet one straight male who is attracted to each and every woman he sees. Yet gay men are assumed to be raving predators who would have it off with every male they meet.
Most of you have nothing to worry about.
Oh, this reminds me. The plumber is coming around this afternoon to check the shower�
[That's a joke, BTW. ;)]
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Mike84
Apr 28, 11:24 PM
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In the U.S. complaint, Samsung accuses Apple of violating patents that "relate to fundamental innovations that increase mobile device reliability, efficiency, and quality, and improve user interface in mobile handsets and other products.
LOL
Can that be any more VAGUE?! They might as well be suing for the fact that samsung made phones before apple.
Anyone who thinks Apple's reason to sue was bad should just look at that!
Do you realize the complaint goes into WAY more detail about how Apple has apparently infringed on their patents?
Do you realize you are quoting a summary in an article?
In the U.S. complaint, Samsung accuses Apple of violating patents that "relate to fundamental innovations that increase mobile device reliability, efficiency, and quality, and improve user interface in mobile handsets and other products.
LOL
Can that be any more VAGUE?! They might as well be suing for the fact that samsung made phones before apple.
Anyone who thinks Apple's reason to sue was bad should just look at that!
Do you realize the complaint goes into WAY more detail about how Apple has apparently infringed on their patents?
Do you realize you are quoting a summary in an article?
crackbookpro
Apr 13, 12:14 PM
What percentage of iPhone users are on Verizon (world wide)? Serious question, because I don't see how Verizon getting the iPhone 4 has anything to do with an iPhone 5 release date. I really doubt 4g will be coming with the next iPhone. Everyone seems to think Verizon and its customers have some sort of power over apple. Wasn't an issue for the rest of the world and all the carriers and customers that got iPhones mid-cycle between the 3GS and 4.
It has everything do with it. You must not know much about variable costs within a business atmosphere. Many variables for sales & production with a release like Apple made in February of 2011. That release could easily have been guided through strategic corporate planning... for LTE... for Verizon... for market saturation & adoption... there are a lot of variables to think about.
More importantly, why do you think it doesn't? We are talking about LTE, and its adoption throughout a given marketplace.
In the U.S., 4G is not adopted entirely, and I am talking about true 4G. Verizon will be the first network. Sprint does not have 4G data capabilities, it is a mere marketing ploy - they have WiMax. AT&T will be the network to follow suit behind Verizon with a strong network of LTE. And then, if you get into countries, and their adoption(s) of LTE, then you are even more focused on your marketplace, and all the variable costs within production & sales.
My 2nd Question to you is - Are you one of the many who thought Verizon would never be getting an iPhone?
It has everything do with it. You must not know much about variable costs within a business atmosphere. Many variables for sales & production with a release like Apple made in February of 2011. That release could easily have been guided through strategic corporate planning... for LTE... for Verizon... for market saturation & adoption... there are a lot of variables to think about.
More importantly, why do you think it doesn't? We are talking about LTE, and its adoption throughout a given marketplace.
In the U.S., 4G is not adopted entirely, and I am talking about true 4G. Verizon will be the first network. Sprint does not have 4G data capabilities, it is a mere marketing ploy - they have WiMax. AT&T will be the network to follow suit behind Verizon with a strong network of LTE. And then, if you get into countries, and their adoption(s) of LTE, then you are even more focused on your marketplace, and all the variable costs within production & sales.
My 2nd Question to you is - Are you one of the many who thought Verizon would never be getting an iPhone?
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mikeschmeee
Apr 5, 01:42 PM
Awesome!
Here are some photos I snapped from two car shows I went to over the weekend. I didn't bring my Prelude as I was in the middle of bleeding my brake lines so I just stopped by on foot.
Speed Syndicate BBQ
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5261/5587490843_d4aa97b9db.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587490843/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5587477765_4586b999e2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587477765/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/5587459375_a50c0205c0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587459375/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5028/5586978315_126609f8ef.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586978315/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5230/5587537462_7b731a89ef.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587537462/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5586884451_ce234dae16.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586884451/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5148/5587474794_3f20a37dde.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587474794/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5586876281_0d9c5a56b9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586876281/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5586828283_87e72e2a3b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586828283/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/5587418506_a6d73444db.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587418506/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/5587414064_df13c8939d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587414064/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5146/5587410486_1e5e24fbda.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587410486/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/5587406534_378d16d539.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587406534/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5586809365_c81bd7e29d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586809365/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5586804151_c634d267ed.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586804151/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/5586799273_c025afd4e5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586799273/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/5587388984_bbd543b660.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587388984/)
Here are some photos I snapped from two car shows I went to over the weekend. I didn't bring my Prelude as I was in the middle of bleeding my brake lines so I just stopped by on foot.
Speed Syndicate BBQ
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5261/5587490843_d4aa97b9db.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587490843/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5587477765_4586b999e2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587477765/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/5587459375_a50c0205c0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587459375/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5028/5586978315_126609f8ef.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586978315/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5230/5587537462_7b731a89ef.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587537462/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5586884451_ce234dae16.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586884451/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5148/5587474794_3f20a37dde.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587474794/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5586876281_0d9c5a56b9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586876281/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5586828283_87e72e2a3b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586828283/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/5587418506_a6d73444db.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587418506/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/5587414064_df13c8939d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587414064/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5146/5587410486_1e5e24fbda.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587410486/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/5587406534_378d16d539.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587406534/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5586809365_c81bd7e29d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586809365/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5586804151_c634d267ed.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586804151/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/5586799273_c025afd4e5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5586799273/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/5587388984_bbd543b660.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeschmeee/5587388984/)
deannnnn
Feb 10, 08:14 AM
Wait, people still talk on the phone?
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d4rkc4sm
Apr 27, 04:01 PM
yawn. how many more stories about this stupid "location tracking".
MACRUS
Nov 11, 03:26 PM
He said soon, about a year ago. Early next year, coming from him, could mean anytime before june... :\
would you remember where it was said such a thing?. a link could help.
I would call him a lier for it but without proof it not my style.
would you remember where it was said such a thing?. a link could help.
I would call him a lier for it but without proof it not my style.
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vastoholic
Feb 20, 01:37 AM
Here's a few I've been using.
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link: http://motogp-site.com/wallpapers/2010/qatar/qatar-motogp-wallpaper-2010-10.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5460281203_0b2530e32f_o.png
Original photo by me, link: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5460281203_0b2530e32f_o.png
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/5460300971_31553868ca_o.png
Original photo by me, link: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4678260688_c947de4bd8_o.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5460281209_4c25b17293_o.png
link: http://motogp-site.com/wallpapers/2010/qatar/qatar-motogp-wallpaper-2010-10.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5460281203_0b2530e32f_o.png
Original photo by me, link: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5460281203_0b2530e32f_o.png
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/5460300971_31553868ca_o.png
Original photo by me, link: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4678260688_c947de4bd8_o.jpg
ct-scan
Sep 27, 10:27 AM
I think it does look nice. I just hope this is include in Leopard server as well. I would love to run my own mail server with this type of webmail interface.
I currently use the built-in Squirrelmail...and while it works for my users, this interface is would be much closer to what they're looking for.
(Not that us sysadmin really care that much about users :D )
I currently use the built-in Squirrelmail...and while it works for my users, this interface is would be much closer to what they're looking for.
(Not that us sysadmin really care that much about users :D )
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840quadra
Apr 27, 01:02 PM
Besides worrying about Manufacturers and telco vendors, people need to always be aware that when they have a device such as an iPhone, iPad, and Android device, that they are carrying around a pocket, or highly portable computer.
Security concerns you would have with data on your laptop should be carried over to those devices, and even, be paid closer attention to. You are carrying around a device that is most always internet connected, has cameras, has GPS, has Microphones, and motion sensors.
I don't consider my iPhone a spy device, but, I keep all of those things in mind when I am running around with it ;) .
Security concerns you would have with data on your laptop should be carried over to those devices, and even, be paid closer attention to. You are carrying around a device that is most always internet connected, has cameras, has GPS, has Microphones, and motion sensors.
I don't consider my iPhone a spy device, but, I keep all of those things in mind when I am running around with it ;) .
stevemiller
Apr 28, 08:46 AM
i agree with many of the sentiments here, and this is why i think its wrong to assume that the white iphone 4 needs "breathing room" before the next generation (which by all accounts isn't going to be an aesthetic change anyway, just a processor bump).
its partly apple's own fault for having created almost a "tradition" of summer iphone releases, that are so heavy promoted in the media that everyone starts expecting them, even those who don't read these sites or know what a wwdc even is.
i'm not saying that it won't in fact be a fall release, and apple probably was hoping these interim releases would energize sales in the meantime. if anything though, they're just mitigating an already trickling demand.
now for my personal rant: i was foolish and bought a iphone 3g 2 months before the iphone 3gs was announced. add to that the fact that all the carriers in canada lock you into outrageous 3 year contracts, and i'm left with hardware that struggles with/can't run the current OS and is going to feel even more comparatively crippled as ios5 and other smartphone os's evolve. (feature lust aside, the basic functions of the phone become tortoise slow with the newer os's, and carriers require you to upgrade to the newest software available for your phone if you want any support from them) and there's nothing i can do about all that. canada may be a uniquely ****** market with these ultra-long contracts, but you can sure as ***** bet i'm never again going to buy the year old tech. it may seem "good enough" at the time, but you have to think ahead to how they'll bog down the OS over the next 3 years.
its partly apple's own fault for having created almost a "tradition" of summer iphone releases, that are so heavy promoted in the media that everyone starts expecting them, even those who don't read these sites or know what a wwdc even is.
i'm not saying that it won't in fact be a fall release, and apple probably was hoping these interim releases would energize sales in the meantime. if anything though, they're just mitigating an already trickling demand.
now for my personal rant: i was foolish and bought a iphone 3g 2 months before the iphone 3gs was announced. add to that the fact that all the carriers in canada lock you into outrageous 3 year contracts, and i'm left with hardware that struggles with/can't run the current OS and is going to feel even more comparatively crippled as ios5 and other smartphone os's evolve. (feature lust aside, the basic functions of the phone become tortoise slow with the newer os's, and carriers require you to upgrade to the newest software available for your phone if you want any support from them) and there's nothing i can do about all that. canada may be a uniquely ****** market with these ultra-long contracts, but you can sure as ***** bet i'm never again going to buy the year old tech. it may seem "good enough" at the time, but you have to think ahead to how they'll bog down the OS over the next 3 years.
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alphaone
Feb 13, 01:04 AM
Weird question, why is F@H showing up as a user level process? I remember it used to show up as a nice process when I ran it last years ago. It's set to idle level in the setup of course and I never noticed till now because it seems to be behaving as a nice process but it's not showing up as one.
glocke12
May 4, 06:31 PM
You mean Clinton who was actively engaged in multiple attempts to kill Binladen pre-911? An activity that Bush canceled after he was elected?
Your right we should follow the example of the president who allowed 911 to happen. Then failed to accomplish the task of killing him while also driving us into debt revoking our civil liberties and allowing American's to begin torturing those they SUSPECTED had useful information.
Maybe you should read this.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
"et�s start with what everyone agrees on: In April 1996, Osama bin Laden was an official guest of the radical Islamic government of Sudan � a government that had been implicated in the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993. By 1996, with the international community treating Sudan as a pariah, the Sudanese government attempted to patch its relations with the United States. At a secret meeting in a Rosslyn, Va., hotel, the Sudanese minister of state for defense, Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, met with CIA operatives, where, among other things, they discussed Osama bin Laden.
It is here that things get murky. Erwa claims that he offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Key American players � President Bill Clinton, then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clarke among them � have testified there were no "credible offers" to hand over bin Laden. The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer. On the other hand, Lawrence Wright, in his Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Looming Tower," flatly states that Sudan did make such an offer. Wright bases his judgment on an interview with Erwa and notes that those who most prominently deny Erwa's claims were not in fact present for the meeting.
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As for Bush "allowing" this to happen, that is complete B.S. It happened on his watch, but he is as responsible for 9/11 as Bill Clinton was, who was as responsible for it as the Easter Bunny was...
Your right we should follow the example of the president who allowed 911 to happen. Then failed to accomplish the task of killing him while also driving us into debt revoking our civil liberties and allowing American's to begin torturing those they SUSPECTED had useful information.
Maybe you should read this.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
"et�s start with what everyone agrees on: In April 1996, Osama bin Laden was an official guest of the radical Islamic government of Sudan � a government that had been implicated in the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993. By 1996, with the international community treating Sudan as a pariah, the Sudanese government attempted to patch its relations with the United States. At a secret meeting in a Rosslyn, Va., hotel, the Sudanese minister of state for defense, Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, met with CIA operatives, where, among other things, they discussed Osama bin Laden.
It is here that things get murky. Erwa claims that he offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Key American players � President Bill Clinton, then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clarke among them � have testified there were no "credible offers" to hand over bin Laden. The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer. On the other hand, Lawrence Wright, in his Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Looming Tower," flatly states that Sudan did make such an offer. Wright bases his judgment on an interview with Erwa and notes that those who most prominently deny Erwa's claims were not in fact present for the meeting.
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As for Bush "allowing" this to happen, that is complete B.S. It happened on his watch, but he is as responsible for 9/11 as Bill Clinton was, who was as responsible for it as the Easter Bunny was...
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SuperCachetes
Apr 13, 08:35 PM
I do believe, I and a whole bunch of friends and other ppl have used that F word at ppl that are clearly not gay. It's just colloquial and doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. Maybe in a "small" way (i.e. "Don't be a F"), in some cases it's supposed to imply that you are "scared like a girl (or a guy who thinks he is a girl...who presumably will be scared like one)" in some sense. But that's just it.
Right. And when my white friends and I call each other the "N" word, it's just a figure of speech we use to describe each other's bitchin' sun tan. We don't mean anything by it. It's not racist or anything... :rolleyes:
Right. And when my white friends and I call each other the "N" word, it's just a figure of speech we use to describe each other's bitchin' sun tan. We don't mean anything by it. It's not racist or anything... :rolleyes:
eyehop
Sep 27, 12:03 AM
Thanksyou for thea informatiiive artical, but I'd lik to no mor aboud thise 'smart refrehes' and 'bulit-in address book':D
johnntd
Apr 28, 08:11 PM
completely agree with you on this..
Samsung to sue Apple over the iPhone.....ha ha ha....Yeah because the Galaxy phones are so original?? WTF You dont have to be a brain surgeon to see the blatant copy Samsung has done of the iPhone.
Apple = Innovation
Samsung = Copyware
Samsung to sue Apple over the iPhone.....ha ha ha....Yeah because the Galaxy phones are so original?? WTF You dont have to be a brain surgeon to see the blatant copy Samsung has done of the iPhone.
Apple = Innovation
Samsung = Copyware
rainman::|:|
Sep 18, 10:34 AM
well, i'd just pop Photoshop open for the task. but free programs? not sure...
What you maybe could do with GraphicConverter (I haven't used it in forever, so i'm not sure what it can do) is make your whole photo grayscale, then bring in parts of the photo (a copy, rather) in color and paste them over top...
What you maybe could do with GraphicConverter (I haven't used it in forever, so i'm not sure what it can do) is make your whole photo grayscale, then bring in parts of the photo (a copy, rather) in color and paste them over top...
HeWhoSpitsFire
Aug 17, 08:31 PM
whoops, call me dislexic (?sp)
BrianSalts
Sep 27, 06:31 AM
Apple should just make .mac adbased and free, to keep up with the competition and to attract a whole crapload of new switchers.
likemyorbs
May 5, 10:42 AM
That doesn't make it right. Retribution, revenge, anger, fear etc are not good emotions. Try to overcome these basic desires.
I overheard someone on the bus say something like this-
"So Bin Laden committed an awful crime, no denying that. But in response the US imprisoned people without trial for years in Gitmo, tortured some of them for information, then shot Bin Laden when he was unarmed. They both seem pretty bad to me."
I can see where this view comes from. Many times I've heard Americans complain that Europeans "look down their noses at them" and "maybe they would understand when planes fly into some of their buildings". However, when the US response to a disaster is detention and torture what do you expect? The US has lost the moral high ground, and these human rights violations only serve to encourage more people to fight against the US.
It times of difficulty many governments bend the rules, and it is how the courts and the public respond that matters. In the UK we detained some people, but they started a court case and won. We had a report of MI6 feeding questions to Moroccan security forces to get them to get information out of someone. However, MI6 was tripping over itself to say they don't condone torture and the courts constantly ruled more information on the subject should be released.
Detention without trial and torture are the methods used by dictatorships and authoritarian regimes, and the world will always look down on the US government so long as they are used.
Guess the world will just have to look down on us then. The US actually has a pair of balls, and we do what we need to do, unlike Europe who's militaries are a joke. Shooting bin laden while he was unarmed?? Seriously?? Who gives a crap? That's like being against shooting hitler while he was unarmed. Of course your solution would be to put him in jail for the rest of his life, but that doesn't fly here. Again, we are not europe and never will be, thankfully. You guys could look your noses down at us, but don't forget who's going to be there protecting your asses when you get into a war with an arab country (and that is possible, remember they don't like you either, and you're an easier target than us). I'm sorry, but their needs to be at least one nation that does what we do, and i'm glad we do it.
Still too squeamish to call it torture? The fundamental difference between terrorist organizations and authoritarian regimes on the one hand, and the civilized world on the other, is the latter's unwillingness to have recourse to violence. Policies of torture are unbecoming of a nation of people who purport to uphold the US constitution, regardless of the extreme methods adopted by our enemies. Once we sink to their level, we lose all our moral superiority and become victims of our own hate and fear as much as victims of the machinations of our opponents.
Nope, not too squeamish just going by the thread title. It's torture, there you happy? Again, we are not europe. So europe doesn't torture and where has that gotten them? They still get attacked by terrorists, even sweden, go figure. Moral superiority or not, safety of our nation and other western nations is more important. If torture is needed to get that information and save thousands of lives, then we should do it. Someone has to do the dirty work, and it's always us. But that's ok, that's how it's always been and it's why we're such a proud nation.
I overheard someone on the bus say something like this-
"So Bin Laden committed an awful crime, no denying that. But in response the US imprisoned people without trial for years in Gitmo, tortured some of them for information, then shot Bin Laden when he was unarmed. They both seem pretty bad to me."
I can see where this view comes from. Many times I've heard Americans complain that Europeans "look down their noses at them" and "maybe they would understand when planes fly into some of their buildings". However, when the US response to a disaster is detention and torture what do you expect? The US has lost the moral high ground, and these human rights violations only serve to encourage more people to fight against the US.
It times of difficulty many governments bend the rules, and it is how the courts and the public respond that matters. In the UK we detained some people, but they started a court case and won. We had a report of MI6 feeding questions to Moroccan security forces to get them to get information out of someone. However, MI6 was tripping over itself to say they don't condone torture and the courts constantly ruled more information on the subject should be released.
Detention without trial and torture are the methods used by dictatorships and authoritarian regimes, and the world will always look down on the US government so long as they are used.
Guess the world will just have to look down on us then. The US actually has a pair of balls, and we do what we need to do, unlike Europe who's militaries are a joke. Shooting bin laden while he was unarmed?? Seriously?? Who gives a crap? That's like being against shooting hitler while he was unarmed. Of course your solution would be to put him in jail for the rest of his life, but that doesn't fly here. Again, we are not europe and never will be, thankfully. You guys could look your noses down at us, but don't forget who's going to be there protecting your asses when you get into a war with an arab country (and that is possible, remember they don't like you either, and you're an easier target than us). I'm sorry, but their needs to be at least one nation that does what we do, and i'm glad we do it.
Still too squeamish to call it torture? The fundamental difference between terrorist organizations and authoritarian regimes on the one hand, and the civilized world on the other, is the latter's unwillingness to have recourse to violence. Policies of torture are unbecoming of a nation of people who purport to uphold the US constitution, regardless of the extreme methods adopted by our enemies. Once we sink to their level, we lose all our moral superiority and become victims of our own hate and fear as much as victims of the machinations of our opponents.
Nope, not too squeamish just going by the thread title. It's torture, there you happy? Again, we are not europe. So europe doesn't torture and where has that gotten them? They still get attacked by terrorists, even sweden, go figure. Moral superiority or not, safety of our nation and other western nations is more important. If torture is needed to get that information and save thousands of lives, then we should do it. Someone has to do the dirty work, and it's always us. But that's ok, that's how it's always been and it's why we're such a proud nation.
techfreak85
Apr 22, 08:16 PM
Come on guys! We gotta get crankin' out WUs again! We seem to have lost a lot of that steam that we had a month or two ago. Losing bigadv for OS X has been an issue, hopefully we will get a new client soon!
I am disappointed that my output has dropped, especially over the last few days...I reformatted my computer, but I should be back up now. In a few weeks, after I am done with this Final Cut project, I might boot into Windows and crank out some bigadvs + GPU to give us a boost.
I am disappointed that my output has dropped, especially over the last few days...I reformatted my computer, but I should be back up now. In a few weeks, after I am done with this Final Cut project, I might boot into Windows and crank out some bigadvs + GPU to give us a boost.
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